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 Post subject: Cooley Suzuki GS550
 Post Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:58 pm 
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This guy in Borneo has done a really nice job on this old GS550 in my opinion (if you ignore the pipe wrap).

It seems that 'cafe racer' customisation either looks sensational or totally pants depending on the choice of bike and the tecchnical skill and aesthetic sensibility of the builder - there is no in-between - you either get it right or totally wrong.

http://www.returnofthecaferacers.com/2015/10/suzuki-gs550-cafe-racer.html


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 Post subject: Re: Cooley Suzuki GS550
 Post Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:55 am 
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Well, it's painted in similar colours to the Wes Cooley GS1000.

Fairings wrong, seats worse than wrong, and it's got a tractor tyre on the front. :blahblah


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It's just me, living up to the name that someone added to my sig.

I had the chance to go to the 'Cheltenham Festival of Bikes' yesterday, but in the end decided I would rather stay in the garage and work on my 'new' CB175. I went to the show last year and came away feeling really depressed at some of the (IMHO) crap bikes that other folks were drooling over.

More interesting looking at bikes in the car park ..

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 Post subject: Re: Cooley Suzuki GS550
 Post Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:33 am 
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I apologize in advance for sounding like a pretentious twat in what follows - but I just can't help it :angel

You are absolutely right regarding the historical innacuracy - you have far superior knowledge of motorcycles and the motorcycle scene of the Cooley era than me so I'm not going to contradict you :angel .

I agree that at it's worst the current custom/cafe cult is producing a lot of very silly looking motorcycles - the pursuit of form has won out over function in many cases resulting in various impractical and absurd looking bikes - but the good ones are achieving what the high end car sector has been doing over the last decade by rebooting the design heritage of the 60's and 70's with up to date technology and performance - the Alfa Romeo 8C is a prime example.

Similarly the big bike manufacturers have been influenced by biking cults that originated with home builders - like the streetfighter scene of the 80's and 90's which gave birth to production bikes like the speed triple - and now Honda and Yamaha are producing bikes influenced by the current scrambler/cafe cult.

A lot of good 1960's design still cuts it in the 21st century in terms of modernity and relevance - so personally I think it's great to see it being mixed up with modern engines, projector lights, digital clocks etc - it works with cars and can work with bikes if done right.


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 Post subject: Re: Cooley Suzuki GS550
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Not pretentious at all, I agree with you.

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A lot of good 1960's design still cuts it in the 21st century in terms of modernity and relevance - so personally I think it's great to see it being mixed up with modern engines, projector lights, digital clocks etc - it works with cars and can work with bikes if done right.


The important bit being 'if done right'.

Like the Aston Martin DB5 and the original E Type Jaguar. Gorgeous looking cars, but hopelessly out of date mechanically. Now being rebuilt, both by specialists, and by Jaguar themselves, in the case of the E Type, modern brakes, wheels, tyres, suspension, air con etc etc. Done properly, with a price tag to match.

Honda have got it right with the CB1100RS, as have Triumph with some of their retro bikes. Not that vile Bobber thing, though. I have to say that most modern production naked bikes leave me cold. Probably brilliant to ride, but so uniformly ugly, Yamaha and Kawasaki being some of the worst examples.

My ideal retro would be an old but reliable Jap air cooled engine, 750 ish, 2 or 4 cylinders, in a lightweight full cradle tubular steel frame. Wire wheels with alloy rims and correctly sized modern sports touring tyres. Quality twin shock rear end, quality right way up forks, decent modern disk brake(s). Sensible handlebars, not clip ons. Heart says one silencer per cylinder, head says 2-1 or 4-1 as appropriate.

Bit like Steves bike, apart from the forks and wheels ....

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 Post subject: Re: Cooley Suzuki GS550
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Here's an example of the stunning unoriginal thinking that so depresses me. Taken from another website, new members introduction. I suppose you could argue that this is the best thing to do to a CJ250, short of torching it, but anyway.

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Just bought a CJ250. Barn find but complete and running ( sounds sweet ). Intending to mildly modify it, brat scrambler style. Currently going through the normal "buyers regret phase" as normally happens with a project but should soon pass.
Going to weld in a seat loop and minimalize rear end and lights, flat seat, scrambler bars (Renthal?), on/off road style tyres, shortened fenders.
Wanted to put on cone filters(K&N) but not so sure now as seems that they can cause problems. Might just polish the side covers ?
Wheels - torn between black rims and stainless spokes or finding some cast wheels to fit.
Any advice on the above gratefully received.

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 Post subject: Re: Cooley Suzuki GS550
 Post Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:45 pm 
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Yep - totally understand and agree with where you are coming from.

I guess the reason for my enthusiasm for the current custom scene is because I am still in the very early stages of developing an interest in custom motorcycles - I have been riding bikes for long enough to have become a bit bored with the looks and compromises of standard production bikes - plus there is also the attraction of developing some decent mechanical and fabrication skills and using them to express a bit of creativity and originality - so along with deciding what I like, what I think is good or bad there is a also a certain amount of inexperience and naivety at the moment.

I'm thinking that the rapid growth and popularity of the retro custom scene is because the streetfighter thing has been around for as long as anyone can remember and people were looking for something 'new' (albeit er . . . retro) - so the obvious thing to do was to raid motorcyclings rich heritage and apply some of it to contemporary machinery.

In terms of my current project - the last thing I would do is bastardise a Hornet by turning it into some retro pastiche - because the Hornet is a good looking bike to start off with it's important to emphasise and play to the bikes strengths - not negate them by chopping the tail off etc etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Cooley Suzuki GS550
 Post Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:47 pm 
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got to agree with everything Richard has said, i am at a wits end to understand the "brat scrambler" scene. :Bang :Bang

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 Post subject: Re: Cooley Suzuki GS550
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I wish I'd taken a photo of the bike I saw in Worcester yesterday, parked up behind the technical college, sorry, 'university', near to the cathedral. Rider just unlocking it as I passed by.

I think it was a Yam MT07. Fitted with full knobbly tyres, not the usual dual sport on/off road jobbies. Custom paint job, a sort of urban camouflage scheme. And the young lad ( pleasant fellow, nodded and said hello ) riding it was wearing one of those comedy German coal scuttle helmets and goggles, like the ones worn by the inept bikers in a Clint Eastwood film.

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 Post subject: Re: Cooley Suzuki GS550
 Post Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:55 pm 
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Yeah - sounds like this MT07 guy has tipped the balance where fashion detracts from the optimum motorcycling experience.

To start off with - the tyres - full knobblies? So Yamaha spent millions of yen and 60 years of accumulated suspension and tyre knowledge to build a superb handling, cutting edge 2017 motorcycle and this guy flushes it all down the toilet with a set of knobblies?

Goggles - again very fashionable with the urban hipster scene but a crap idea on the road because they cut out peripheral vision - which is vital on a bike - I even stopped wearing a full face roof helmet because the visor perimeter was so restricted I judged it too dangerous for inner city riding - goggles would be even worse.

I don't like open face lids either - planting your unprotected phyzog onto the road or kerb or onto a car windscreen even at 30mph doesn't bear thinking about - I came off the bike once and slid down the road 20 feet face down on the tarmac - luckily I was wearing a full face lid which took the impact and looked like an industrial sander had been taken to the chin bar and visor - my face would have got the full treatment if I'd been wearing an open face lid.

On the other hand if you ride an old/retro bike there are some decent retro lids around which compliment the look of the bike (just ignore the totally ridiculous looking ones):

http://www.urbanrider.co.uk/motorcycle/helmets/full-face.html?p=1


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 Post subject: Re: Cooley Suzuki GS550
 Post Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:21 pm 
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When my second RooF R010 passed it's sell by date I bought an Arai Chaser full face, which I always wear on the 600, and sometimes on the 175(s).

But I do like my Bell open face lid, on nice days on the 175. Eye protection by Bolle, much cheaper to buy from Screwfix than from anywhere else. Suitable for industrial use, so I reckon they'll stand up to a stone strike.

These, or similar:

https://www.screwfix.com/p/bolle-rush-clear-lens-safety-specs/3903f#product_additional_details_container

Always used to wear Stadium open face helmets back in the day. The pain of riding in heavy rain or a hailstorm, must have been hardier back then. Bad enough when an insect strikes me these days.

Cool !

http://www.customcruisers.com/contents/en-uk/p3679_german-helmet-motorcycle-helmet-fiberglass-padded-storm-trooper-helmet-nazi-helmet-fiberglass-dot.html

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 Post subject: Re: Cooley Suzuki GS550
 Post Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:21 am 
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But I do like my Bell open face lid, on nice days on the 175. Eye protection by Bolle, much cheaper to buy from Screwfix than from anywhere else. Suitable for industrial use, so I reckon they'll stand up to a stone strike.


Great idea - I expect that the Bolles are more comfortable with better peripheral vison than the usual set of trendy motocross goggles which a lot of people wear with open face lids.

I like the idea of an open face lid - particularly in the summer - but I'm so used to full face lids I think I'd feel too exposed - maybe one of those flip face lids would be the best compromise solution - open it up on hot days/town riding and close it up for the motorway/bad weather.


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