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 Post subject: Engine Ice Coolant
 Post Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:33 am 
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Did anyone here try using "Engine Ice" coolant on a Hornet 250 already?

If so, what was your experience with it?
Does it really make the engine run much cooler? Or even allow to make more power?

Also, does anyone know a good source to order this stuff online and ship worldwide for a reasonable cost?
Or is there any comparable product?

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Ice Coolant
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Hi there - you don't necessarily want the engine to run 'cooler' (depends what that actually means).

Engines operate best at an optimum temperature (which is hot, but not too hot ! and not too cold either) - the aim is to keep the engine temp in this band - running too cold (inefficient) / too hot (bang!) doesn't get the best bhp / mpg etc...

...so do you really need a 'special' cool coolant, or just a well set up system?... that would be the question...

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Ice Coolant
 Post Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:21 pm 
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sovrec wrote:
Hi there - you don't necessarily want the engine to run 'cooler' (depends what that actually means).

Engines operate best at an optimum temperature (which is hot, but not too hot ! and not too cold either) - the aim is to keep the engine temp in this band - running too cold (inefficient) / too hot (bang!) doesn't get the best bhp / mpg etc...

...so do you really need a 'special' cool coolant, or just a well set up system?... that would be the question...

Thanks for your input Sovrec! Actually this was exactly my thinking. I know that a hot engine (but not too hot) should give the best performance, and in fact even the best exhaust emissions. So I just asked here, in case anyone has any numbers on that stuff, especially for the 250 Hornet.

The Hornet 250's radiator is rather small, compared to the CBR250RR for example. But the Hornet's engine is slightly detuned. So it is normally OK. But recently I have upgraded my CDI pack which allows for higher revs. I noticed that the coolant temperature gets pretty hot when I run on higher revs. And the climate is pretty warm all year round here in Taiwan too. Still, no overheating so far. But I was thinking that this Engine Ice might give me a little more safety margin. I may have to flush and refill the cooling system soon anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Ice Coolant
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if this is motorcycle radiator friendly, I guess it is safe then...
how about adding additional rad fan?


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 Post subject: Re: Engine Ice Coolant
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good luck with it all - it's normally just cold and raining here in Northern Britain so it's not generally a problem for us !!! ... I did notice elsewhere that some riders look at the efficiency of their cooling fan - sometimes changing it for a better item as well as looking at their thermostat range ...can imagine the engine heat issues can be hard to manage in your location...

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Ice Coolant
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recently tried a simular make here in the UK in a Ducati 996 that was over heating on track days, IT made no difference to running temp. The owner has now bought a larger rad. Oldgit


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 Post subject: Re: Engine Ice Coolant
 Post Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:38 pm 
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if running a stock engine in standard tune then the cooling system will be able to handle the heat genetated!
but if you tune the bike and make more power (more power = more heat produced) you might find it to be of some use to get ride of some unwanted extra heat without having to go to the lengths of fitting a larger core radiator, like i had to with my track hornet 8o
more heat = less power :(

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Ice Coolant
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forcemajeure wrote:
if this is motorcycle radiator friendly, I guess it is safe then...

Yes, it is specifically designed for high-performance motorcycle engines.

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how about adding additional rad fan?

Hm, not sure... might look ugly! :D
Maybe I'll take a good look and think about if this would be doable.
Also would research on some better cooling fans... maybe even a suitable larger radiator?!

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...can imagine the engine heat issues can be hard to manage in your location...

Well, it's okay as long as you keep riding fast. Idling for an extended period of time is no good here... wow, I just realised why so many people skip red lights here! :angel

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Ice Coolant
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cooling fins or fans...

the more fins the better?


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 Post subject: Re: Engine Ice Coolant
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haven't seen them here

mine is fine, stock radiator and fan
i am using this
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running hard, even under 35c, traffic jams... No problem


if you going for a track type condition like steve said, get a bigger core WITH samco or braided radiator hoses :angel


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 Post subject: Re: Engine Ice Coolant
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Last week I got a 1/2gal (1.89L) bottle of "Engine Ice". I exchanged the coolant yesterday... out goes the green stuff, flushed several times (incl. reservoir tank), in goes the blue stuff... about 1.3L of it. "Engine Ice" comes premixed, so no water needs to be added.

So far I can't tell anything really, because I had no time to ride a longer distance. From the short trip so far I would say the temperature is marginally lower, maybe about 5 degrees Celsius (I have a digital water temperature gauge on my Koso dash).

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Ice Coolant
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Today I went for a small tour of about 140km, mostly medium quick country roads with speeds between 70 and 80km/h. I still did not notice any significant difference in coolant temperature, most of the time it was between 80 and 88 degrees Celsius, which seems OK. Ambient temperature was around 30.

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Ice Coolant
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just for the record, i remember i changed my water pump like 1 or 1 1/2 year back because of a rubber seal damage and kept leaking coolant

now i realize why because People say coolant-not for motorbikes eat those seals :Bang
so i think i should think about a motorbike recommended coolant...? Castrol perhaps?!
i bet Wurth is for Cars and other vehicles...? damn! :Bang


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 Post subject: Re: Engine Ice Coolant
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I'm thinkin about the putoline coolant nf, organic, or maybe just use distilled water


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 Post subject: Re: Engine Ice Coolant
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everytime i shift around 14-16kkrpm continuously my temp needle almost touch the red bar, replacing to a bigger radiator is the only solution? my country ph is very hot, burning skin hot


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 Post subject: Re: Engine Ice Coolant
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reiluke wrote:
everytime i shift around 14-16kkrpm continuously my temp needle almost touch the red bar, replacing to a bigger radiator is the only solution? my country ph is very hot, burning skin hot


can't wait to see it...


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