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 Post Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 4:02 pm 
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Bloody 10mm. Seems to cause issues for near enough everyone I know that works on car/bikes!


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 Post Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 7:56 pm 
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:D :D :D

started the bike up, started first try, smooth as glass idle, no popping and farting through the carbs like she has been, sounds great. best she has ever been!

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 Post Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 7:59 pm 
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10mm !

My mate came by this morning to borrow my cement mixer, which was in its box under a pile of other stuff in the garage.

After pulling it all out, I found a Halfords Professional 10mm ring / open end combo spanner that I must have lost years ago.

I now have four of these in my tool box, plus another one at the caravan, for connecting the battery terminals.

And I don't believe that Steve has a 1/8" drive socket set …. :D

Ah, just spotted the edit ….

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370steve wrote:
:D :D :D

started the bike up, started first try, smooth as glass idle, no popping and farting through the carbs like she has been, sounds great. best she has ever been!


Excellent news, must be very satisfying. :thumbup

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richard pitman wrote:
370steve wrote:
:D :D :D

started the bike up, started first try, smooth as glass idle, no popping and farting through the carbs like she has been, sounds great. best she has ever been!


Excellent news, must be very satisfying. :thumbup


VERY :)

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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
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Bravo! :clap


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Bravo! :clap


Thanks :oohlala

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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
 Post Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 6:53 pm 
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Thanks for all the positive reply's guys  thought i was going to get a lot more "dozy dick" comments after letting on about my brain fart with the cams!

but i can report now that with a correctly assembled motor, with cams dialled in and Yoshi TMR-MJN carbs, she goes like @#%$

I have just been out and done 50-60 miles round the dales, what a blast, 

much much smoother at low revs and idle, much more punch and power and for some reason much less noisy  I could hear the carbs rattling away most of the time, @#%$ great.

PS, Pulled my first ever wheelie on her too  :angel

PPS, bring on Cadwell Classic T/day :evil

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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
 Post Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 11:19 am 
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On further modifications updates, new wheels are very close now, Front is sorted for fitment and spacers, just powder coat needed.

rear wheel is almost there, spindle made, spacers done, sprocket carrier machined and sprocket done, just caliper hanger and torque arm to sort.

did get Taff to make a spacer for the caliper hanger, but somewhere between my hand drawn sketch and his  lack of memory the spacer got made and pressed in the wrong way :help

so i am having to wait for him to machine it out and make another to fit the correct way, will be a week or so coz he is away for the week off to his first festival of the year!!

Bloody hippy :pissed

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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
 Post Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 6:18 pm 
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Great job - all the blood, sweat and tears were obviously well worth it! :D

Again - top marks for retaining focus and quickly sorting out a complex issue after an initial knock back.


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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
 Post Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 8:21 pm 
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took her out for a nice 120 mile round trip with girl friend down to Squires to meet up with a mate on his GSXR turbo.
bike ran flawlessly, pleased that she is now sorted.
looking forward to the rest of the summer.

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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
 Post Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 11:01 pm 
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Excellent - looks really sorted - I bet she handles and stops really sweet with those quality components.


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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
 Post Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 7:44 am 
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HOON98 wrote:
Excellent - looks really sorted - I bet she handles and stops really sweet with those quality components.


Cheers, handles well for a big old bus :lol

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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
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when i got my TMR's from Webike they gave me a load of points that i could use to buy bits from them, so as the remote idle adjuster i had fitted from the GSX600F carbs just didnt look "factory" enough for me, i cashed in some of my points and ordered a Mikuni remote idle adjuster, for that "proper" look and performance. 

it has taken around six weeks to get here, but it has come with no VAT request

I think it was worth the wait, looks just right.


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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
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Could have done with one of those on the Hornet this afternoon, totally mad the place they've put the ide adjuster on that.

Customs - I had a package from Thailand yesterday, some 175 bits. No interference from the excise men this time, sender had marked it as a gift, worth 5 USD, package not sealed, just tied up with string like an old school parcel. :)

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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
 Post Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:11 pm 
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:clap :lol

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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
 Post Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:09 am 
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as both new rear brake caliper hangers are with Taff for machining, and i dont have a lot to do this weekend, i think i will have a test fit of the new rear wheel to check sprocket alignment and chain clearance.
will also give me an idea of where i will need to go with the new torque arm fitment, for the Nissin caliper once it is sorted.
might finish off giving my race leathers some more "feed" to help them soften up, as they haven't been used in anger for such a long time!!

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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
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like i said earlier I had a play with the fitment of the new wheel, 

spindle has a thread in the end so i can screw a tapered plug into the end of it to aid assembly, seems to work a treat.


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wheel went in great, just need the new caliper hanger, so i can tighten everything up and double check wheel alignment and sprocket spacing.

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all seems to be where it should be at the moment.


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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
 Post Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:55 am 
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Sexy looking wheel!

Also, that spindle extension thingy, make that yourself or bought it from somewhere?
I ended up knackering the thread on the end of my spindle a while ago tryna get it through. Ended up taking it to a machine shop to sort out the end for me.


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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
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anz243k wrote:

Also, that spindle extension thingy, make that yourself or bought it from somewhere?


showed my mate Taff (pet machinist) what i needed, he turned it out for me :D

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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
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Aahh ok! Wish I had a pet machinist :(


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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
 Post Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:52 am 
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Got the re worked rear caliper hanger back from Taff last night, went to work with giving it a test fit.
fitment of hanger on spindle is good, measurement at the top where it is a wheel spacer is also good.
but that is where the good news ends and things start to go amiss!!
with the GSX14 caliper fitted the caliper inside piston comes into contact with the wheel center hub!
to over come this problem i could space the caliper out and also add some spacers to the disc, but not the Ideal way of overcoming the problem.
caliper piston housing looks to be very thin at the pointt that contacts the wheel, so removing metal to gain clearance looks to be a non starter, I am not going to even think about removing metal from the wheel, so nothing to be gained there.
As i had only wanted to use this set up as a halfway fix of getting the new wheels on and sorted before having the Nissin F4 caliper and machined billet hanger finished (Taff is on with it as we speak) I am going to just wait till the new bits are sorted (how unlike me??), bike is going to be re built tonight with old wheel and caliper so i can get it MOT'd tomorrow, then i will cool my jets, wait for Taff to do his job on what i am confident will fit (mock up and test fit of F4 caliper worked with no clearance problems) and put it all together when it is ready.
As with all "Test Fits" some other things came to light that will need tweaking.
with the wheel in place and the spindle nut tightened so everything is where it is meant to be, the sprocket was 2mm over to the left of where it needed to be, there is very little chain/frame clearance as it is, so having the sprocket out of line even by that small amount is not on the cards.
I think it will be easy enough to get a further 2mm removed from the sprocket seating face ( or 1.5 from the seating face and .5mm from the sprocket)
but i will wait until i have the brake caliper/hanger sorted 100% before removing any more from the sprocket carrier.

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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
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how it looks at the moment, pity it will take to much faffing to sort just as a short term fix.


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post re build run in oil change carried out, nice fresh 10-40 now in her veins, checked out after re fitting rear wheel,
all good for her MOT tomorrow after finding the horn disconnected :o

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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
 Post Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:34 am 
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Riding the 50 miles to work on the big bus via Durham City put a smile on my face, now parked outside work on the Quayside in Newcastle :)

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You could get some brilliant photos done of the bike parked up with that famous Newcastle backdrop. Maybe get Practical Sportsbikes to do a feature? :D


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News just in...............PASSED MOT no advisories :)

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Looks absolutely ace :clap


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i am going to e mail John at Racefit, and see how much it will cost to make me a double length silencer can, just for MOT and Trackday events of course 

Then i will have a Modified Exhaust to go with everything else that is modified on the bike

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not a lot done recently, but i have managed to do a little, got the new wheels out and went to work with the dremmil, have removed all the casting marks and any

ruff edges that were left.

as soon as the rear caliper is sorted and fitted i will get everything off to the powder coaters for some white love


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Had a great ride down to Squires bike Cafe yesterday with Avril, bike is running spot on except this hot weather has been a right pain in the ass as far as low speed running is concerned!!
i have now had to tweak the idle screws a few times to try and get better fueling in traffic.
after the last hot weather where i was far too lean, i adjusted the mixture but went too rich, so i have been doing small adjustments to lean it off,
now seems to be good and hold a steady idle, even when showing 115+ deg on the dash. 
Also looking to try and sort some foam filters for the Duel stacks. I wont be able to just use normal pull over types as the foam will block the open area at the bottom of the main stacks.
going to look at fitting pull overs but with an addition of some sort, that will give a "stand off" gap around the bottom of the stack close to the carb, allowing free air flow in and keeping the filter out.

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bike is now up on stands and in bits again, rear end is off, awaiting new bits machining
over the last week low speed steering has felt a little odd, really showed up when closing the throttle at town traffic speeds.

gave the bike a visual once over to make sure all the frame welds were still strong and holding, looked at all engine mounts, wheel nuts etc etc

but nothing jumped out at me as wrong.

yesterday on the way home through Newcastle i thought it was bad enough for me to stop and have a proper look see.

didnt take very much to find that the swing arm was loose at the front pivot point

took her home very steady, once apart i have discovered that the pivot spacer is aprox  .9mm too short, so when i have tightened the swing arm pivot bolt, it hasnt nipped up on the spacer, thus the swing arm has been rotating around the pivot bolt and spacer, not the bearings.

as everything has settled into place the swing arm spacer has worn internally allowing the the swing arm to become loose on the spindle.

i am going to get a new spacer made up that is slightly longer ( .9mm  ) and have ordered some new swing arm bearings as it is all apart just to be safe. 

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Amazing the effect a relatively small detail like a slightly too short spacer can have on a bikes handling.


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 Post Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:27 am 
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HOON98 wrote:
Amazing the effect a relatively small detail like a slightly too short spacer can have on a bikes handling.


Wheel and swing arm had very little actual movement, but it felt horrible under deceleration :help

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I have been round to see Taff, he will make me a new slightly longer spacer, said it will be
ready for tomorrow night, whilst i was there he showed me how far he was on with the Nissin caliper bracket, he
is going to do some more on that tonight once his shed cools down a bit.
talked to John at Racefit and will be getting a new exhaust can and link pipe made, i have never seen one but John said that they have made a few extra length cans before, mostly it would seem for racing in France, where he said some classes need to be below 100Db.
so not a problem to sort me out, but i will need to leave it a few weeks to book the bike in, as he is very busy at the moment.
think i will be getting the exhaust more up swept than it is at the moment.

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whilst i wait for Taff to sort the swing arm spacer, i have had a play with the swing arm, looks like the only problem was the
short spacer.
once i get the new spacer back i will check and fit it so it is a nice push fit between the frame rails, that way i know it will be getting clamped in place when i tighten the spindle bolt.
Swing arm bearings have been dispatched, so if i get the spacer sorted soon, i will be able to reassemble the bike soon as the bearings arrive :)

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just back from Taff's, new spacer up to scratch as would be expected from him.

time for a test fit.


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goes together great, bolts up nice and tight with no lateral movement of arm, no free play at all, will change the bearings though, but happy for now that i know it is sorted.

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370steve wrote:
talked to John at Racefit and will be getting a new exhaust can and link pipe made, i have never seen one but John said that they have made a few extra length cans before, mostly it would seem for racing in France, where he said some classes need to be below 100Db.
so not a problem to sort me out, but i will need to leave it a few weeks to book the bike in, as he is very busy at the moment.
think i will be getting the exhaust more up swept than it is at the moment.


someone has done a photoshop of what she will look like with the extended Can, I think it looks great, so will be getting it done for sure, I think i will take the pic with me to show John just what i am wanting, as a picture paints a thousand words :)

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