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 Post Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:38 pm 
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I have been away all weekend, post has brought me lots of Ti bling, connectors, carbon sheet, data cable and bits to be getting on with whilst i was away.

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I think i will be mounting the dash operation buttons onto the dash mounts, they fit nicely into the holes i had drilled into them before. 


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Dash will sit a bit higher than in the first pic, mounted onto the Carbon sheet, it will be getting cut to fit and have the data cable connection fitted into the gap (gap to be filled with carbom sheet) between dash and yoke.

Not 100% sure if i should mount buttons as pictured, or mount them as a bank along side the data cable input in the gap between the dash and yoke, thoughts?

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Looks like you have picked the most logical position for the instrument buttons - the weight reduction holes in the mounting bracket provide an elegant and ready made mounting location for the instrument buttons without having to fabricate a separate mounting panel.

If you made a separate panel some annoying smart Alec (probably with a whiny voice) will ask; 'why didn't you take advantage of the holes in the bracket and mount the buttons there?' :angel


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hoon, not sure they will end up there yet! might be something else up my sleve 8o

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toy'd with the dash fitment, cut the carbon sheet, drilled and fitted to the dash mounts, now messing with where to fit the buttons ( washers placed where i might fit them) and 

data lead plug, think plug will fit to the right of the buttons.


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Yeah - I see where you are going with this - the new dash idea looks very nice. :D


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I have gone ahead and cut the holes for the puttons and dash, will sort the data cable connector later ( have the mounting holes sorted)

i liked the button fitment between the dash and yoke, keeps the wiring neater.

carbon plate still has more work to come, but happy with it so far.


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i liked the button fitment between the dash and yoke, keeps the wiring neater.


That was my first thought when I saw the buttons fitted into the holes in the alloy bracket, what would it look like from the underside, wires hanging out. Much neater tucked away as you have done it now.

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Very nice :D


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hole for data connector now cut, data connector modified, and bolts fitted.

will be fitting new screws and dust/moisture cover when it arrives.

still need to shape carbon plate and open up hole for hoses to pass through where the ignition lock used to sit.


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have the mounting plate sorted now, got it shaped as i am happy with, sorted all the wiring and almost ready to wire the harness in.

changed the screws on the data plug for black ones blends in a lot better.


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further small touches have been made since last time, dust/moisture seals have arrived and also some more black screws to replace the shiney ones

that were fitted.

i have been finishing off the dash loom attachment to the main harness, got it 99% done now, had a bit of a problem with the neutral indicator lamp wiring, but after asking a question on the oil cooled forum, i now have the answer, will be sorting it out later.


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just the night time brightness dimmer to wire in and all should be good to try and program the dash.


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dash all plumbed in and functioning, had to adjust some of the wiring to get it all to fit cleanly and without putting too much tension on any joints.
waiting now for the last part of the puzzle, I have ordered a Motogadget Hall effect speed sensor from Germany, coz i dont like the size of the one that i got from Race Technology!! it is massive, but given that the dash is first off made for car fitment, it wouldnt be anyother way really.
so to aid with fitment the nice small sensor was ordered, should be here today, will get it fitted soon as it lands.
fitted the rest of the new Racefit system, wing mirrors, checked out all electrical function.
Biggest test is going to be getting her started after the M-unit and total wiring re fit!! i have working Rfid, she turns over on the starter, spark to plugs, what seems to be fully functional electrical system, just need to get the tank on and slosh some fuel around :Pray :Pray :Pray

got plans for the dash mount, think it needs the two "horns" removing to clean up the lines around the front?
i still need to attach the front of the dash plate to the mounts, but thought i would leave that until after i have had her out for a test run or two.

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Motogadget sensor turned up as promised

This is the difference in size!!!!  Race Technolagy one is M12, Motogadget is M5 


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Did a quick test fit after removing the old sensor, all is good and i now have speed registering on dash :)
this evenings job will be to remove the rear caliper hanger, drill and tap an M5 hole and thread to accept the new sensor.
i have input the gear ratios to the dash file, so it now has all the correct info for me to upload as soon as i work out how Haha.

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been swatting up on how to be a computer programmer geek lol. will attempt to down load the saved program onto the dash tomorrow


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I will just leave this here.............................................

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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
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went out and about today looking for a serial port/ USB lead, no luck so i am going to have to hope that the one i have on order will turn up tomorrow as 

stated. I could have got one from Race Tech but i couldnt bring myself to parting with £35 for a bit of wire FFS.

as i couldnt ride the bike, i took the dash off and did the last bit of cutting and fitting that needed doing.

cut and shaped the alloy hangers, then drill and tapped them for front screws.

just need to give them a wiz on the polisher.

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Serial-USB lead arrived, went straight to work with programming the dash, worked great, dash now full of correct details.

started her up to check all was good, revs not showing correct (50% low) so back out with laptop, quick input of details, try again.

still not correct, tried twice more before going back to R/T set up page,

dug into the info much deeper this time, seems that Dash2 cant be set up using the coil feed wire from the ECU, Dash2 PRO yes, Dash2 NO
so not to cause the dash any long lasting problems i have ordered another Motogadget Hall effect sensor (Rt site says to use Hall effect not induction type)

i will now have to find a target for it so i can program "engine speed" into dash. looking to use one of the cams, not 100% sure though yet.

whilst i was on the computer ordering the new sensor i went onto the Rt site and spent much too much on an oil pressure switch, lead and adapter. also ordered an oil temp sensor with lead.

now got to find suitable mounting points for all. 

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in keeping with the restomod way, I have been persuaded to update my stock Bandit ECU for a nice new programmable Ignitech unit, this will help with sorting the rev feed problem that i am having on the Dash2, it will mean a bit more cutting and splicing of harness, but i will be able to junk the "engine speed" sensor that i was going to fit on the cam cover.

I will be keeping the Motogadget sensor when it arrives for fitment with the M-unit i will be getting for fitment to the EFE build, if i get on ok with the Ignitech then i will get one for it as well  
Looks like the GS is becoming a test bed for the upcoming EFE build!!

got my heat and pressure sensors from Race Technology yesterday, expensive!! but quality items , I have removed some of the oil way plugs and will be sorting fitment of both parts over the weekend. 

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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
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You are a brave man, fitting all those electronic systems and getting them to work together ! 8o

The stuff on a modern bike would scare me to death, all those different modes, little TFT screens that I'd need my reading glasses to see, not to mention wondering if the ABS or EFI was going to leave me stranded at the roadside.

I have 'upgraded' the contact breaker on one of my 175 engines to contactless, but I have the points and breaker plate handy if it breaks down on the road, and off course it's still on mechanical advance mechanism and carburettors. :D

As one of the blokes on the Honda Twins site says about his CB450:

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:clap :clap

Yes Richard, I do see your point and concerns about modern electrickery! but as i move forwards with the build the only logical advance is towards modern accessories that will work together.
It has become very obvious to me, that having a mix match of modern/vintage part is the hard way to go about things, I am not confident with computer imputing data, but from what i have found so far, it is made and designed to be very idiot friendly, haha needs to be with an ageing brain dead old fart like me buggering about with it :angel

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Looks very impressive :clap

I've been wiring up my after market switch gear - electrics can definitely be a bit of a headf*ck if you are not taking notes :lol


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got the oil way plugs back from Taff tonight, sensor fitted, will look to fit them some time tomorrow or later in the week


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fitted the two sensors last night and meshed the wires into the rest of the main harness, will look into splicing them in with the dash tonight.

Ignitech is on its way, more fun when that lands on the door mat :)

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sensors now spliced in and working, pressure is showing in Bar, but have looked and found what i need to do to get it to read in LBs/in2, sort that later.
otherwise all good.

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all working great now, pressure showing in correct units, rev counter set up and units sorted (just needs Ignitech connection)

everything else good to go, bike starts and runs great, still smoking a bit at start up!!! but that will be a later job, looking forward to fitting the Ignitech, if weather is ok tomorrow

i might take her out for a test run :)

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I started up both of the GS's, the 600 for the first time this year, gave them a good warm up, then noticed a slight fuel leak from the 600 fuel tap!
would seem that the seals have dried up and perished.
been on the web and ordered some new ones from Robinsons foundry.

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actualy took her out for the first time this year!! dash not fully functional (no revs or gear indication yet) Ignitech is inbound, so that should be sorted soon, everything else working as it should, had a great ride, forgot how much i enjoy the big old bus,
only small niggle was fueling at idle, was just a little bit too rich, causing a low lumpy idle, soon as i got home had it sorted with a small twiddle of the pilot screws, now nice smooth and even.
roll on the summer :)

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I now have more programable bits on my bike than NASA has at any one of its launch sites!!

Ignitech TCIP4 ignition modul arrived today, hope to get everything sorted out and running this weekend.

Just needing a GSF1200 Map, not one on the unit "bike" drop down box.


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Ignitech fitted, i still need to make a tray for it to sit in above the battery, but for now it will be fine held in place with the

battery holding strap.

rev counter working correctly, dash hopefully now sorted and working correctly.

need to get out for a test run but threatening rain at the moment.


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Great job - looks like you really have the knack with electronics/electrics :clap


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HOON98 wrote:
looks like you really have the knack with electronics/electrics :clap


Haha, wouldnt go that far, still sat and scratched my head a fair bit doing this :angel

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Went out for a test run this afternoon, bike was a bit ruff  when given the first bit of throttle, but picked up once a few revs were added. didnt clear so headed home for adjustments.

rev counter was working but rev readout (numbers) was not working correctly. gear indicator was also not changing when it was meant too.

i had been onto Ignitech and got them to send me an ignition map for the GSF1200, i had run the bike with the pre set ignition map from them that didnt work.

i went back onto the lap top and loaded the new map, seemed to be very close to the pre loaded GSX11 map, loaded some more changes to the dash.

went out again, now nice and smooth at the bottom, pulled well with no hesitation, reved cleanly. revs on dash also working correctly, only gear indicator to sort.

good afternoons work  

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having thought about my low speed fueling, what is happening, what has happened after any changes and the end result so far, i have done a bit of reading/web searching and come to the conclusion that i am in need of smaller Pilot air jets. 

If i set the Pilot needles at 3/4 turns out with the engine up to temp the idle is smooth,  even and constant. But it bogs/hesitates as soon as i start to open the throttle (lean) then clears with a bit more throttle.

if i go back to how it was, 1-1/4 turns out on pilot screws, idle is a bit lumpy, stalls at idle sometimes when warm (rich) but pulls cleanly from idle when throttle is applied. at least i will confirm if the ignition is ok if it still runs like it did befor fitting the Ignitech.

If that works, i will set the pilots at 3/4, go one size down on the pilot air jets (make richer on initial throttle) and see where that gets me

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addendum....................

Dont you just love Yoshimura San, takes a set of Mikuni TMR's and makes them better, have now found out something else new on these that are

different to the stock TMR's!!

looking at the web and what handbooks i can find (in Japanese mostly) even the ones shown have standard non adjustable Pilot air jets, need to swap them

out if wanting to make fueling changes, at the massive cost of £12 a jet.

but my Yoshi TMR's are fitted with adjustable Pilot air's  
so after a quick phone call to Allens Performance, i have set the pilot screws to 3/4 out and the Pilot air's backed out 1-1/2 turns (they were at 2 turns out stock setting)

started her up, got some warmth into the engine, idles great and seems to go up the revs past 3k with no stumble or miss fire now.

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just back from test run after adjustment to the pilot air jets, very very close, just a slight hesitation when transitioning

from a closed to open throttle, going to let her cool down and then going to give the jets a 1/4 turn close, think that will

be  the  last adjustment that is needed. 

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Fcuk, why do we bother with Carbs?? i have had them on, off, taken apart, re assembled and re adjusted a dozen times so far this weekend!!

started back at pilot screws 3/4 of a turn out (best idle) and Pilot air jet 2 full turns out. (factory supplied)

slowly over a few runs i turned the pilot air jet in by 1/8 turn each run.

each run seemed better, less hesitation and juddering.

have ended today with her at pilot screws at 1 turn out, and pilot air jets at 1- 1/4 turns.

almost sorted, but started to throw it down, so called it a day.

never thought that fitteng a different link pipe and end can would upset the fueling so much!! but it is

the only change that i have made to the induction/exhaust over winter.

i have done a web search and turned up a few articals on Yoshi MJN/TMR's doing the same thing on other bikes, seems they need to be 

teased to get them to transition cleanly, so looks like i have some more adjustments to do yet.  

in other news, have now settled on the GSX map on my Ignitech, after input from other members of this/other forums.

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