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After seeing someone else's GS project on another forum, and having wanted to do a "Retro" build myself, i just couldn't help myself could I!!
I have made an offer on a GS 750 frame and a GSX14 swing arm
so if i get accepted it will be on with the copying and lots of questions to the guy that is doing it, who up till now has been a great help with all the questions that i have fired his way! (cheers mate very much appreciated)
Dont expect miracles from this build, it is being done on a very tight budget and is going to be a longish time in the building,
Watch this space..................

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Sounds like a wicked project - can't wait to see it develop - some inspiration ? : http://planetjapanblog.blogspot.co.uk/2 ... magic.html

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cheers mate, will be sort of like the first one there :love but with USD front end
and twin shock rear :eek

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got the frame at a good price :)

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just need to wait and find out about the swing arm now :D

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This looks really interesting Steve, looking forward to seeing you work on this!


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Cheers Joe :)

today i brought the swing arm, rear spindle with brake caliper bracket and a rear mud guard, the engine i was watching has gone, but
another one has been listed for a lot less £££££ so i have asked for pics.
got my eye on a rear wheel with sprocket carrier and disc, but its from a GSX1300 Busa, seller says it will fit but am awaiting confirmation!!

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got the wheel :)
so now have the rear suzuki GSX1300 wheel, and a honda CBR1000RR front wheel :D

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Was watching it on CF anyways, but here is good too ; )
Like the old skool stuff, old superbike stylee

Look forward to updates : )


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Look forward to updates : )


soon as i have any i will post them up :)

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Some serious skills on CF steve
Follow loads of builds, but they have a soft spot for old skool, gonna be alot of followers on that one, if ya need any help, gimme a shout, got a baby lathe and mill in my shed, as well as a tooled up flypress ; )


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most certainly is some very highly skilled people on there 8o
thanks for the offer, i might take you up on some mill work when
i get round to wanting brackets making for the engine, frame & hangers :angel

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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
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just got all this as a job lot :shock:

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haha, so much for take it easy with the spends :lol::lol: just got these as well

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picked up the engine today, also got the oil cooler from guy, he had the full 4-1 system sat in his garage and the bars with switch gear and brake/clutch m/c's, so i asked him to hold them for me and i would get them later.
guy also gave me a box with some spares in, a generator and polished engine cases :big grin:
just went on E-blag and won this lot :smile:


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Love these old style bikes with a modern twist. Will be keeping an eye on this build Steve :)


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Cheers Bud :)

got a call from the guy i purchased the 05 CBR1000RR forks off earlier, he said that he had found a crack in one
of the fork caliper hanger body's!! and would reimburse me, so i have done another sweep of E-bay and got myself a set of GOLD 08 CBR1000RR ones instead :party-smiley:

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still getting the lower triple and spindle from the first set of forks though :)

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Looking forward to seeing how this build progresses.

Beats waiting for Practical Sportsbike etc each month.

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thanks Richard, I hope it wont disappoint :Pray

I only have a pile of bits at the moment, more bits in the post :angel
still on the lookout for a tank 8o

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Should be a few spare tanks at your works Steve :angel

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Should be a few spare tanks at your works Steve :angel


:clap :clap :clap :lol :lol :lol

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talking of Tanks, just got this one for a steal from the states 8o :)

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Someone's been busy! Wow! The pile of bits has got loads bigger since I last looked! Early Christmas presents Steve? :p


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sold off the family silver :rollin

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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
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richard pitman wrote:
Looking forward to seeing how this build progresses.

Beats waiting for Practical Sportsbike etc each month.


+1

And another +1 for practical sportsbike magazine! They do some ace bikes and articles for those that like to fettle.


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 Post Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:32 pm 
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Got the new forks today, they are almost new, just a hint of dirt from the brake pads, no marks!!!!!!! I am well pleased
might just fit them to my street fighter hornet, and put the 07 forks off that onto this build
other bits and pieces turned up as well, GS rear mud guard, battery box & lower yoke. GSX1400 rear caliper, getting a right pile of parts together now :rock: might just get round to starting the build soon :)
collecting the exhaust system, bars with M/c's, switch gears and throttle on Sunday.
still waiting for the bits from the States, probably spend a few days or so in customs before i get anywhere near them!
having a bit of a problem with the guy that i won the tank off :help i have messaged him twice for a combined postage-payment invoice but have had no reply for three days now!!!!! only took him 5 mins to answer my "offer" FFS.

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Awesome Steve and already enjoying the thread as always.

I have the CB1R forks and had a stage 1 set up - you might be able (most likely) to do this yourself - strip down oil refresh (standard viscosity), Ohlins springs and modified valves - BIG improvement - £300 walk in rate but you could do it for half of that DIY ? This made it a good match to an Ohlins rear.

Looking forward to the rest of the build !

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 Post subject: Re: project RETRO
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Cheers for the info mate :) might look into that once i have it built, you know me, I will get it all put together and then start to modify it :angel
or i might look into doing it to my 893! do you have any links/info on what needs doing?

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Cheers for the info mate :) might look into that once i have it built, you know me, I will get it all put together and then start to modify it :angel
or i might look into doing it to my 893! do you have any links/info on what needs doing?



Aye up Steve - I actually just took my forks off and dropped them in at Kais Suspension in Lancs - they upgraded via an Ohlins set of springs, reworked / modified the existing valves and did an oil refresh - the guy said to use standard weight oil as he said that the thicker stuff isn't optimised to work in the internal oilways.

It looks as the valves are reconfigured with some drilling to reshape the holes (size, no, etc)

The CB1R items are based on the 2007 CBR1000RR forks but have more travel (so I don't think a CBR1RR cartridge kit will fit).




There's not a lot of technical info on the CB1000R site as most people have done a drive in / out upgrade - this link might be useful though : http://www.cb1000r.com//forums/modi ... lving.html

This post was useful :

had my front forks re built this week. i was told when i put ohlins on the back they don't make a full kit for our bike so my "guy" at the time said he played with the shims to get more compression and rebound but left the spring STOCK. turns out he did not do what he said but that's another story. in the end i was riding with bone stock front suspension and ohlins in the rear. not a good combination. needless to say i have a new "guy"

so here's what went in the front this week:

1.0 KG GP Springs
GP / K-Tech Piston Kit
Oil Service Level 1
Revalve Fork / Install Piston Kit
Fork Oil 5W 110MM

does the front feel different? you betcha, almost TOO good. now i have to get used to riding it the way it should respond. who needs a super duke or s1000r when you can take the refined honda and turn it into a rascal..



Most suspension tuning shops can offer this or a kit I reckon (MCT / KTech) - the key then is suspension set up which you may be able to do yourself or it's about £30-40 at a good suspension house.

I actually wouldn't recommend KAIS as they didn't do basic things like match the spring to my weight, or give me my old fork springs back - ok, but not 100% on their claims to be as good as the more familiar names (seem more at club racing level these days).

hope this helps !

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cheers again, will have to look into this when i have more funds :rollin

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The parts are starting to pile up :)
I think Steve's build will be much quicker than the practical sports bikes builds :)


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The parts are starting to pile up :)
I think Steve's build will be much quicker than the practical sports bikes builds :)


got an exhaust system & bars to add to the pile this weekend 8o :)

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pile of bits in the shed gets bigger by the day, still not found time to get things started!!! will get around to it soon, honest

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cut the rear footpeg hangers off, cut the side stand bracket off, assembled the rear swing arm with wheel and caliper and lined things up.
then did a test fit of the fork spindle to see what the front will fit like. going to see if i can get some ball races to fit the honda spindle and GS frame so i wont have to swap spindles around, only one way to find out.
sorry about the "fog" but that was the result of all the cutting with the angle grinder

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got home from work and went straight to work on fitting the swing arm, chain run is going to be tight to the frame by the look of things, but might be able to machine some metal off the sprocket carrier to move it over a bit if needed.
wheel will be nice and central, but will have to get some spacers made as the ones that came with the wheel (hyabusa) are not quite right, not a biggy.

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tonight's fun revolved around man handling the engine into the frame by myself, got it in after a bit of huffing and puffing, fitted a bolt to the lower engine mount to hold it all in place, then played around with sliding it from side to side until i was happy with the chain run and the exhaust clearance.
the chain is about 3mm off the frame tube! but dont think that is going to cause any big problems.
the far left exhaust down pipe is also very close to the frame member, but think that will be easily sorted when i get the bike down to Zorstec to get the rear pipe made and fitted.
happy with how it is now sitting, so i will start to make some mounting brackets to get it held in properly without moving.
thats enough for tonight, so going to sit and have a couple of tins after a productive evenings graft :rock:

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started to fix the engine in place, first made and fitted some spacers to the rear lower
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then found some alloy plate to make the front engine mounts, only had enough to make the one for now, so drilled the holes and mounted it, will trim it down and shape it later.

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how it now sits with the rear jacked up to where it will sit whith the shocks on

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checked the forks off my other bike for fit with yoke and wheel, all looks good

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found some more alloy off cuts at work this morning, so will be able to crack on with the engine mounting plates tonight hopefully, also brought the front sprocket cover and clutch slave cylinder to work with me, gave it a run through the de greasing bath, now all is good.
will putt it all back together tonight with a good aplication of Red rubber grease on the seal.

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went to work with a hacksaw and file on the new bit of alloy plate and made the two front engine mounts before calling it a night, will make one of the side mounts tomorrow night.

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...and so it begins...so much work already done which is frankly amazing ! It's going to look sweet from the back with that Busa wheel too !

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cheers John :)

didnt manage to get much done this time, i spent a fair bit of time measuring bits for my mate to make me on his lathe, wheel spacers, swing arm bush and disc spacers.
then came up with the idea of having a removable rear top engine mounting bar, so it will make removal and re insertion of the engine a lot easier.
i have removed the cross bar from the remains of the bandit frame, i will get some threaded plates welded onto the ends so it will bolt into the frame from both sides.
it will hopefully also act as a frame strengthener.
here it is bolted to the engine where i want it to sit in the frame.

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