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 Post Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:43 am 
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Hi All,

I recently acquired a 2005 CB900F(AU) with only one key. Not wanting to lose my only key and having to replace the ECU, I bought a spare off a dealer and decided to save a few $$$ and programmed it in myself ($55AUD). There are instructions on the internet in programming CBRs and VFRs, so I decided to link the originator and add some notes specific to the CB900F

NOTE that a working key is still needed. This is just to program a 2nd key. I bought a spare blank transponder from a Honda dealer (35121-MBW-601). It cost about $36 AUD.

Instructions for VFR here: Reprogram keys for VFR

A youtube vid for VFR is found here: Youtibe Vid

Clarifications / CB900F specific points / Random points
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- The +12V went to the yellow, GND went to the white wire with the thin yellow line on it.
- The Red IPG plug should be visible on the battery side: right between the rear shock and the battery - undo the plastic side cover with one bolt.
- 12V source need not be the battery on the bike. I used a half dead battery that was still at 12V (I suspect a 5V computer power supply could work too?)
- I recommend a 1K Ohm 1/4 watt resistor instead of the 100 Ohm 1W resistor shown on the page.

Honda cable replication - further notes
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Basically, it appears that all we need to do is to supply a "HI" signal to the ECM via the red plug (Ignition Pulse Generator plug?).
I'm not sure why Honda charge 100GBP for the programming cable. It's literally just two leads!

I used 2x 2.3mm female spade sockets I found at my electronics store to hook into the socket without risk of shorting.

I've heard of people making the cable with:
- A resistor inline to the circuit (This helps protect the battery, as if the cables are shorted, the resistor acts as a load
- A diode inline to protect the ECM if hooked the wrong way around (I suspect the ECM doesn't draw any current, but why risk it)
- A fuse.

I decided to hybrid two of them, and I soldered a 1K Ohm 1/4W resistor in series with a 1A quick-blow fuse.
These probably aren't necessary, since it's likely we're hooking it into a digital or ADC input, but I wasn't game enough to take the risk :). I've read of some people getting it to work without the resistor, diode or fuse.

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Good luck! Just a 5 minute job!
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Summary of instructions in case original source disappears:
- Buy a spare blank Honda Key with Transponder that corresponds to your bike.
- Get the key cut.
- Remove side panel with one bolt on battery side.
- Hook +12V to yellow cable of red IPG plug (the socket with male pins)
- Hook GND to white with yellow cable of red IPG plug
- Place working key into ignition and turn to on
- Unhook positive cable from battery for at least 5 seconds
- Re-attach positive cable
- You should see 4 slow flashes, indicating that the key registry was wiped, and the current key in the ignition was added.
- Turn key to off and remove key. DO NOT disconnect power source yet.
- Place blank, already cut, new spare key into ignition and turn to on.
- Watch for 4 slow flashes. Once that happens, the 2nd key is added - turn key to off, take it out.
- Repeat for any more spare keys you want to program (Up to 4 keys total can be remembered I think).
- You're done! unplug the power supply, remove the cables to the socket, re-attach IPG plug and you're done!


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 Post Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:10 pm 
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Thanks for this, I am going to make up some leads and give it a go soon, I have a new key all cut ready :)

Has anyone else here tried this yet?

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 Post Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:10 pm 
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not yet but im going to

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 Post Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:20 pm 
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I must admit - I bought the Honda part (the wires and plug) and have done this same method on my 600 and SH300. Each bike now has 4 keys (max allowed in ECU). The method is really easy. If you prefer, you can get the exact harness plug on eBay and build your own instead of bare wires. Use one side of http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-Mini-Connectors-2-8mm-2-way-BLUE-/300696981727?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item4602efd0df and alligator clips. Best


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 Post Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:10 pm 
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I coded a new key today and it is really easy yeah, using the main article on this topic.

Thanks to all posters on this subject :)


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 Post Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:26 am 
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I know US models don't have HISS but Australian, UK. etc models do & because I only had one key & needed a spare just in case this is what I did (just so people know if you lose a HISS key & don't have a spare the only fix is buy complete ECU, key, barrel from Honda unless you kept the silver tag that came with new bike which has a serial number, that is only number Honda can do a replacement key with if all original keys lost & that key has to come from factory).

I can't take credit for this procedure as was found doing search & asking questions but the info came from other models with HISS & couldn't find anything VFR specific so I'm writing this because was done on my 04 VFR800 without a problem. My local Honda dealer charges $50AU to program a key & $58AU for blank key so that is $108 total, It cost me all up $25.45.

1. Buy a blank HISS key, these are different from a normal key only due to chip that is located in plastic part but they look the same as a none HISS key, I found them on Ebay for $25USD delivered (there normally over $50 here in Australia)

2. Take your new key blank with your existing key & have it cut to work (before you bother to program make sure the new key when cut works in all locks because there are a limited number of keys your allowed to program per bike)

3. Go to an electronics store & buy a 1W 100R Carbon Film 5% Resistor now this is where I went ghetto because you can bother to make the special Honda lead which if your able to buy costs over $100 buying clips & plugs & do soldering but I couldn't be bothered because I was only going to use this lead once so I had electronic jumper leads which are simply the alligator clips each end of a wire & you want the small alligator clip type due to needing to get inside bike plug limited space. The good thing about buying these leads is you can place them in your tool kit & use for other things when needed.

4. VFR800 plug used is Ignition Pulse Generator (red plug RHS bike located same place the fuel injection large grey plugs are positioned), this plug has only two wires the solid yellow is your positive + & the other duel color is your negative - feed.

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VTEC IPGP Ignition Pulse Generator plug (red) location


5. Unplug the red plug & the male part of plug that feeds back to the ECU is what you need to connect too so using you small alligator clips so you can get to terminals in plug clip them on making shore you don't have them touching each other (the small test alligator leads have plastic covers to shield them or you can just strip some of the plastic shielding off the wire if you want after the plug if you can't get what you have into the red plug).

6. Yellow wire from red plug you use other end of alligator lead & clip on your 1W 100R resistor & then get another lead & connect to other side of resistor (remember I did say ghetto lead) that leaves you with an alligator clip to connect to your battery positive terminal +

7. The other wire you connect to the negative terminal on battery -

8. Turn the ignition key to ON using your original key. The immobilizer indicator (HISS) light should come on and stay on (if it starts flashing after 10 seconds there is a fault in your system).

9. Now disconnect the positive + battery connector for 5 seconds before reattaching it to the battery terminal. The indicator should now come on for 2 seconds then begin to flash repeatedly four times. This indicates the system is now in registration mode. At this point all previous keys except the one in the ignition have cleared or cancelled from the ECU memory, so if you have any extra spares they will need to be re-registered.

10. Turn the ignition to OFF and remove the original HISS key, put it a couple of meters away from the bike so it doesn't interfere with the transponder in the new key.

11. Insert the new key and the ignition to ON. The immobiliser indicator light should come on for 4 seconds then begin to flash repeatedly four times. This indicates the system has registered the new key. Success!

12. If you have any extra keys you want to register, repeat step 10-11. Don't put the original key you started the process with in as its already registered.

13. Once you have registered your spare keys, turn the ignition to OFF, remove the ghetto lead and reconnect your red plug sensor.

14. Now check all your keys start your bike.

NOTE: make sure with the ghetto lead you don't short out any connection to bike frame, if your clumsy rap it all in electrical tape & if your fussy make a lead with solder connections & shrink sleeve.
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 Post Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:47 pm 
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can someone help for SH300?
can you tell me or
can you send one photo where can I find the
Ignition Pulse Generator plug of SH300?


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 Post Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:50 pm 
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sh300man wrote:
can someone help for SH300?
can you tell me or
can you send one photo where can I find the
Ignition Pulse Generator plug of SH300?


Remove seat and seat well. Top part on right side of bike. Yellow/white - Yellow pair with 2 pin plug. The Honda wire harness tool for this works on SH300, CB600F and CB900F (and probably a whole bunch more).

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edit: from what I can determine, the OEM harness tool does not have any resistor in it's +ve wire.


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 Post Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:37 am 
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Scott wrote:
Post shamelessly copied from the other Forum.


Apologies. I never intended to take credit for the procedure... if you read the first paragraph, I even say I got most of the information from the VFR forum, and I linked to it. If you do a bit more googling, you can tell that the first details on this process comes from a Japanese posting actually.

Just re-wrote it to be more CB900F specific... i.e. colour of the wires, and IPG plug location. Can't hurt to have duplicate info since some forums won't last forever.

Also explained some of the electronics background of the resistor inline, and the diode (in the various solutions on the internet). Technically you don't really need any of that stuff. It's clearly just a voltage ADC.

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 Post Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 11:30 pm 
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Just added 2 new keys today thanks to this brill information.. :) I got the keys from M&S Motorcycles up westgate road in Newcastle £26 each took 3 days to get in so couldn't complain.


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 Post Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:54 pm 
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Dave wrote:
Just added 2 new keys today thanks to this brill information.. :) I got the keys from M&S Motorcycles up westgate road in Newcastle £26 each took 3 days to get in so couldn't complain.


Luv it when a plan comes together!

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 Post Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:46 pm 
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the SOLUTION for Honda SH300


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 Post Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:13 am 
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sh300man...!!! Excellent! The 900 and 600 Hornets are exactly the same. It's just finding the pulse generator plug and having the harness. I will restate that I did buy the OEM harness from Honda (I think about £30) and it does not have a fuse or resistor, but having a fuse and resistor is a very sensible precaution.

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Oh: as a follow up on this procedure. The FIRST key that you use (any of the already programmed keys) is the MASTER. When you reattach the +ve on the very first key (MASTER) you will wipe out any other keys that were previously programmed. As a result of this, each and every key after the MASTER needs to be reprogrammed. You can have up to a maximum of 4 keys in total.


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 Post Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:58 am 
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And yet another followup... so I goes and gets me a couple spare keys for my new 900. They are blank and need to be cut. So I goes down to the local Sainsbury's, Bat & Ball, and there's a shoe repair place there as well as he does keys. So I asks, "Can you cut these keys for me?", his immediate reply was "No". Me asks, "Why?" and he says "Because you didn't buy the blanks form us." What a @#%$. So, me just says "No worries, no monies for you.".. got them cut 1 mile down the road for a fiver. It really doesn't make any sense, he's liable to say he'll not repair your shoe(s) because you didn't buy them from him!

Edit: That being said - here is what I did:
http://www.panchdara.com/Hornet/HISS-SpecialTool.pdf


Last edited by Panchdara on Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:09 am, edited 2 times in total.

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 Post Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:20 pm 
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Panchdara wrote:
And yet another followup... so I goes and gets me a couple spare keys for my new 900. They are blank and need to be cut. So I goes down to the local Sainsbury's, Bat & Ball, and there's a shoe repair place there as well as he does keys. So I asks, "Can you cut these keys for me?", his immediate reply was "No". Me asks, "Why?" and he says "Because you didn't buy the blanks form us." What a @#%$. So, me just says "No worries, no monies for you.".. got them cut 1 mile down the road for a fiver. It really doesn't make any sense, he's liable to say he'll not repair your shoe(s) because you didn't buy them from him!

Good reaction from your side. There's plenty more fish in the see. Some people want the business, some don't. In any case it's not good publicity for him.

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 Post Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:53 pm 
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And yet another followup.... had keys cut and they turned without any hesitation. Had them (and the main two) reprogrammed to the ECU within 20 mins... and that included making up the connector rig. So, if there's anyone in the Kent area that needs to program keys to their CB/CBF... lemme know and I'll build you the right cable and it's but a beer at the local! (Of course you'll need to get keys and have them cut. - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-HISS-Ke ... 0175693%26 and I got key design #1 (left)

Edit: That being said - here is what I did:
http://www.panchdara.com/Hornet/HISS-SpecialTool.pdf


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 Post Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:37 am 
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Hello, i recently bought a Hornet 600 PC36 2004, and it has only 1 Key, so i bought 2 blank keys(with transponder) from Ebay, and now i want to program then on to my bike, at first i could not find the plug, but now i think i found it:
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it's located on the left side under the tank <- cold this be the plug for programming the new keys?
and another question: as you can see on this picture, both wires have a black line on them, witch one is (+) and (-) ?
Thank you !


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 Post Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:58 am 
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flopyro wrote:
Hello, i recently bought a Hornet 600 PC36 2004, and it has only 1 Key, so i bought 2 blank keys(with transponder) from Ebay, and now i want to program then on to my bike, at first i could not find the plug, but now i think i found it:
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it's located on the left side under the tank <- cold this be the plug for programming the new keys?
and another question: as you can see on this picture, both wires have a black line on them, witch one is (+) and (-) ?
Thank you !


Hang on there... the wires should be yellow and white/yellow...

edit: see http://www.panchdara.com/Hornet/IgnitionPulsePlug.pdf

This bundle is located on left side of bike under the fuses.


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 Post Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:36 pm 
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I have a 2002 900 Hornet and want to Programme spare ignition key. Confused regarding the Red HISS connector? Is it on my bike a Blue Connector? If not where is the Red connector located? Which wire is + and -? Cable on Blue connector are Green and Blue/purple.


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 Post Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:03 am 
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The connector is located on right side of bike, down and just above the brake pedal. It is located in a fat black rubber boot cover. Yellow == +12vdc and Yellow/White == -ve GND.

Your blue connector is NOT the connector you are looking for - need yellow and yellow/white wires. If in doubt don't mess.


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 Post Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 1:39 pm 
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Spot on for the hornet ..
Easy to follow instructions


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Hi, just a line to say thanks, what a simple process and well written , easy to read and 5 minutes to do. Great. Ken


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